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PF Shun Dialogue Launch

The launch of the National Dialogue at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross took off with the conspicuous absence of the Patriotic Front.

And Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia Board Chairperson says that the absence of some key political players at the launch of the national dialogue underscores the urgent need for dialogue.

Bishop Paul Mususu, said the three church mother bodies have vowed to see to it that the National Dialogue process is concluded in the soonest possible time even when other concerned parties shun away from the process.

 

Speaking at the official Launch of the process at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Lusaka today, Bishop Mususu said that dialogue remains the civilised way of dealing with challenges affecting any given nation in this modern society.

The dialogue process has been attended by some members of the political alliance notably the UPND’s Hakainde Hichilema, Elias Chipimo (NAREP), Andyford Banda (PAC), Nevers Mumba (MMD) and Fresher Siwale among others and the Civil Society movement, traditional leaders who included Chieftainess Nkomesha and some diplomats accredited to Zambia.

And Bishop Mususu, said the National Dialogue process provides a platform where citizens can hold their national leaders accountable in national affairs.

He therefore stated that staying away from the process is running away from addressing challenges affecting the people of Zambia.

The Law Association of Zambia led by its president Eddie Mwitwa, and Transparency International Zambia Chapter Executive Director Wesley Chibamba were also present.

The ruling Patriotic Front Leadership and other opposition Party parties namely the Felix Mutai Faction are missing from the official Launch of the National Dialogue process that has attracted a sizeable crowd.

95 Comments

  1. animous

    the pf don’t mean well to this dialogue.

    • Lincoln

      NO FLYING, NO ALLOWANCES I AM NOT PART OF THIS. LEADING THE GREAT PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA IS PRIVILEGE AND NOT A RIGHT.

    • Ndoleshafye

      Did you say that the P.F don’t mean well to the National dialogue? But it’s not just to the dialogue but to the Zambians at large.

    • mulobezi

      Sily comments indeed a learned person wud first digest the situation b4 commenting this hakainde thing u ar owez fond of praising will Neva rule Zambia no Mata HW much u Bow b4 christ

      • Justin

        Zambia is not yours to say uncivilized words like that.. you’re in for a surprise. Your hatred will costume you to the born. HH will be Zambia’s President if God wills it and nothing you and your dark heart can do.

      • Jototo

        Never use the Name of Christ in Vain. God is not a cadre to support any politician.

      • Chipata dweller

        Mulobezi or whatever you call yourself, Jesus Christ is not a cadre like you,think before you comment any shit,your god lungu doesn’t own Zambia,but it’s for all Zambians,I think you need medical checkup at chainama hospital,your brain need to be examined.

  2. great

    I have never seen people running away from the round table to discus important national affair and this is my first time and I would call this drums to be the drama of the 21st century. never and don’t ever play with the church. the was there before of was born and it will always be there. come to your senses and attend this important dialogue. one day you will also need this dialogue of this nature. use wisdom and never be mislead by cadazi.

    • The major problem which is there now in Zambia...is that the Churches have become too ZAMBIANISTIC hence Turning CADRERISTC and PARTISAN in their congregational grouping and they still claim to be called CHRISTIANS, but they are in different belief groupings.... That is a very big problem. The clergy have humanised the BODY OF CHRIST, Which is the church with different doctrines.

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  3. frank

    the sim card and the phone are missing from this dialogue.

  4. HOMMIE 24

    coward lungu has run away. he’s fearful; he lacks courage in the face of opposition.

  5. Leon

    Agony is pleading for dialogue when your votes where stolen

  6. One zed manex

    Ndeloleshafye

  7. zed

    Dialogue for what

    • J. K

      It really makes sad reading,that some stakeholders in this very sensitive and important event have deliberately decided to stay away, it only goes to show how much disregard these parties have for the nation and the people of Zambia at large.

  8. Kang'ombe

    And then someone who does not respect the church will come and call for prayers.
    Men of God stand on the truth and be bold to do justice.
    I pray that you will also shun his prayers

    • Mukwasu

      Zele mutumba.

    • Ndoleshafye

      What Will happen on the 18th October, 2019,are we going to have ‘The day of prayers,fasting, reconciliation and forgiveness’?May someone answer me please.

      • Lunda kingdom

        Only those who are interested in eating free food will attend not a normal person with five senses

      • Jototo

        Kikiest Kikikiki! Mockery-ncilliaton not reconciliation.

  9. stylish

    very shame to find that the one was cheating the nation about dialogy is not present.please take note that nothing under the sun is hidden and nothing is permanent.thanks ba PF mwabutuka if it were mulungushi conference you take ama cadres nganamu perfomer

  10. Kombe

    That’s how corrupt minded people do they want to twist the process to suit their agenda. Don’t waste time for the men of God and Zambians too who mean well for this Nation. The 3 men of God has a lot of God”s work to attend to in their offices. Shame ! to PF ZCID …..for not attending.

  11. Majoni Tyson

    Zambia needs prayers becoz we are ruled by hypocrites who pretend to be of God while hiding evil in their hearts. All those who have shunned dialogue are for the devil. Edgar cheats pipo that he loves God,how come he has failed to show his commitment by attending such an important event chaired by the pipo of God. Darkness and light will never be together.

    • Chris mainas

      U ar my brother Zambia we being ruled by this full ecl

  12. scammer always

    shame to pf members nganamu performer awe shilefwaya ine

  13. Kapita

    Forgive them next time they will attend

  14. Moses P. Sichula

    I think that pf have smelt a rat. Why attend the dialogue where there are confusions between the ZCID and the three church mother bodies? The dialogue will be onlý meaningfull after these two bodies iron out their differences.

  15. Steven mungalu

    Well done people of God for your time and other people who sacrificed to leave their busy schedules.

  16. mjc

    Is this the end of dialogue?

  17. Lloyd nsampi

    The hour has come to know who is a Zambian and a God fearing person in this country .love you zde.

  18. Chilankalipa

    The insolent are asking for an official invitation according to their mouth vomit siliti, very soon they will pass a law that will compel churches to send official invitations to all members every time there is church service.

  19. Elias

    What dialogue when the so called three church mother bodies and Zcid can neither reconcile nor dialogue themselves. Rubbish!

  20. Hammer

    The genesis of the dialogue is refusal of one man to refuse the will of the people through the ballot, and what followed thereafter. No wonder why he is the one pulling the strings on how, where, who should attend the dialogue . If he were as a good politician as Sata he should have left 2016 in the past and work on building his party! I guess now he thinks the church will install him as president . But he is very mistaken . Zambia will always chose it’s leaders through the ballot . God bless Zambia

    • Brain Teaser

      I think what gonna sweep the fracas that has engulfed this cou

    • Justin Banda

      😂 well now we know the devil 👿 also keeps mentioning god.. the difference is it’s with 18th October

  21. The scientist

    Have been hearing of this dialogue for quite some and my surprise today is when it has been launched. Someone to explain

  22. BBC

    They gave an excuse of Kambwili as a deterrent for PF not to attend the dialogue. Kambwili backs out and they still don’t attend. The Kambwili excuse was just a lame excuse.

  23. Chakuchanya

    PF is afraid of HH he has been running in courts one after another after loosing 50+1, by applying regional tactic now He has Gone the Pact formation&mother board formation 😂😂 wenze nseka Sata ati cimbwi No plans

  24. Daniel Banda

    The church has failed us. Why is the Church being deceitful and antagonistic to the views of key stakeholders who have difficulties with the dialogue arrangements. If the Church is for Lord Jesus it should not fan division between thosr they think have sinned-ZCID & PF and the righteous alliance parties
    and others. How long would it take to bring harmony between the church and ZCID that they couldn’t wait? Peace is created by humble hearts not out of aggression.

  25. Truth

    Public discussion dialogue is normal but it sober mind. ZCID And CHURCH are differing bhind door and pipo are dark but both parties release how dialogue is gone 2 b done or handle than problems 4 pipo 2 make a choice. If church is advantage bcoz of its position in society better 2 settle all difference.

  26. Daniel Banda

    The church has failed us. Why is the Church being deceitful and antagonistic to the views of key stakeholders who have difficulties with the dialogue arrangements. If the Church is for Lord Jesus it should not fan division between thosr they think have sinned-ZCID & PF and the righteous alliance parties
    and others. How long would it take to bring harmony between the church and ZCID that they couldn’t wait? Peace is created by humble hearts not out of aggression. ‘Lelo lomwe Lina detsa mnthengu.’ The magpie is black because it demanded for an immediate change against the will of its creator.

  27. Concerned Zambian

    Reelection for ZCID, PF, and all Tuntemba parties and and Civil Societies who did not attend the dialogue launching. Read James 3: 13-18. If Zambia is a Christian Nation, then let us learn to live the word of God.The nation and people should be guided by the Christ. St. Paul to the Galatians 5: 22-26 says,” In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,peace patience, kindness, generously, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by Spirit let us be guided by the Spirit. Let us not be conceited, competing against one another, envying one another.” Meeting the above norms, then we qualify calling Zambia s Christian Nation. Thanks God bless Zambia

  28. cholwe

    ZCID and the government are the samething is this the way we will end conflict and solve the economic crisis nibanani tukomfwako kanshi anyway we will go for fasting twalibelela

  29. Husain

    I think Zambia doesn’t need spiritual optimists. How’s the church gonna help in improving the nation? Maybe we need a bunch of political strategists and economists, not those who can sermon legions of angels.

  30. Brain Teaser

    I think let’s forget about this dialogue thing coz it seems not to be a solution to the political situation in country. Let’s wait for the next term. And the pf guys are not serious with

  31. Kanunka peter

    Useless corrupt church leaders took advantage of the absence of our president to undermine govt shame.same people were yapping on the absence of the president. A church which can’t work with zcid and went a heard meaning …
    It was upnd group gathering

  32. Brain Teaser

    I think let’s forget about this dialogue thing coz it seems not to be a solution to the political situation in country. Let’s wait for the next term. And the pf guys are not serious with the dialogue take note.

  33. Son of the soil

    Efyo chakulaba mwandi! Ndemona bamo nifyifine!!!!! Nabasansamuka pantu bamo ekobali mwa!!!!!!! Sansamukeni!!!!!!!!

    • Kamata

      Why’s this dialogue important now? Edgar doesn’t want to talk to bitter and disgruntled people, for what? The best dialogue now is to solve the crisis which is looming in Congo DR and that is what he’s doing. Kudos Edgar!

  34. abilima

    This is window dressing by the Church mother-bodies and the opposition alliance. There are misunderstandings between the convenors but the Church mother-bodies want to ignore this and go ahead. You can’t chair any dialogue when you the arbitrators are not united. This is a farce.

  35. PILATO

    THE GUILT IS ALWAYS AFRAID, UMUBI ALAIBUTUKILA

    • Harrison phiri from commando

      You’re Right

    • Daniel Banda

      That’s the actual reason others are shunning this collusion if people want to exume the skeletons. The dialogue is not a court it is meant a discussion forum where everyone is put on equal footing.

  36. Just

    I think dialogue should be in shrines in the Constitution so that at the middle of the term of office of elected leadership we look at what has gone wrong and what we’ve achieved than to be reactive to the matters of the country because some time power tends misleading because of its nature

  37. Ben

    😂😂😂😂 Zambian people check the root cause before you comment,hh cadres😂😂😂

  38. Nazarene.

    You are 100% correct.Love,peace & unity is all we need.we gat to live by the word of God.

  39. Mwe

    Why did the HHs 53 MP’s didn’t recognize the president of our country Zambia? if those MPs heard the command from there opposition leader to upsent

    • Mwe

      Why did the HHs 53 MPs didn’t recognize the president of our country Zambia? If those MPs heard the command from there opposition leader

  40. Mk

    theres nothing with the church,God knows that the zcid is not an indipendent organisation&was nt suppose to lead the diologue process bcos it also need to be reformed,it suports pf’s criminal activities

  41. Kalumba Banda

    Why has the church been in such a hurry?why not postpon the meeting to another date,for them to ione out their differences with zcid?moreover one of the most cardinal player in the event the Republican President just arrived from national duties and by protocol(whether you like it or not)was supposed to be invited by vertue of his status and having in mind that most of the issues to be discussed concern the rulling government,so i see an error in the whole process.
    And this can fuel more divisions in the nation which we don’t want.

  42. PILATO

    HOW MANY TIMES SHOULD THEY POSTPONED…?

  43. zolo

    Am suspicious; why is he running away?

  44. Matman.

    There was need to have some patience on the part of the church so as for them to iron out issues between itself and ZCID. How can someone who is not in good books with his own wife try to resolve marital conflicts if his neighbour? Dialogue is if paramount importance to our nation. It should be handled by people without faults in them. We know what type of clergy we have in Zambia and this must be dealt with very carefully. I am not saying the church is the same everywhere, but it is the church in Rwanda which helped killings there. It just said on radio ‘it is time ‘ and time for killings started. I am a clergy also but there is too much to the church than meets the eye and the ear. Now churxh ,here is my advice,set a new date and take the invitation to state house in time. Why are you quite on this even after the state has made it plainly clear as to why they could not attend? We know you are the church but even in this situation, you must have proper respect for the authorities. This is what you teach us in churches or have you become hypocrites that you practice the opposite if what you teach.

  45. The statesman

    The so called ZCID and PF want to twist the dialogue process so as to suit their own agenda. Pf does not mean well for this country. And this zcid is just a branch of pf created to champion their foolish agendas. Their time of reckoning is coming. Inshita lyonse ilafika.

    • Daniel Banda

      That’s the actual reason others are shunning this collusion if people want to exume the skeletons. The dialogue is not a court it is meant to be a discussion forum where everyone is put on equal footing.

    • Daniel Banda

      That’s the actual reason others are shunning this collusion if people want to exume the skeletons. The dialogue is not a court it is meant to be a discussion forum where everyone is put on equal footing. To insinuate that our president is running away and loose respect for him. Zambia has an internationally recognized government and we have peace. If there was no leadership the little you have would not be there for you. Those same clergy survive because there is a supporting economy. Don’t lose respect for your leadership.

  46. Sibweni

    National dialogue is failed project bcoz zcid and church are busy with blame games. Zambian want 2 hear other things bcoz our country is at peace no war but corruption accusations and election petition unend court cases whch upnd are using 2 win support frm zambians. I am a member of 3 church but truth the church is in a happy start dialogue what are they hiding. It time 4 church 2 tell us they support idea of commonwealth bcoz they lack leadership. Dialogue wil go up2 next year when political pressure is high show off that has power 2 influence pipo 2 change govt and those fighting pf while in church are using a wrong weapone or tool. Church is lead by human begins who can mistakes and only GOD knows the truth and it wil come out and zambians wil know who are misleading zambia. Divide dialogue organses is the begining of failure

  47. mengmoreler

    Run run!bt one day da world ll com small,kkkkkk watch out for part two.

  48. mengmoreler

    Hahaha! I’ll never attend chi prayer and fastng of yoz chi beast.

  49. ELIAS SAMBEYA

    Remember these are last days.Famlies will hate one another ,
    everybody will force themselves to be in authority. Those in authority will lose focus and control. Children will not respect leadership .Men of God will be disregarded. Read; 2 Timothy 3: 1–10.

  50. BUNKUTWE👏👏

    Personally I Expected this Of PF.

  51. Opening

    A leader care about the country I don’t know if violence, insults, mistrust, civil harassed bcoz support opposition is Zambia you want. True leader sit in round table settle issues don’t politise peace matters. Pf has to grow and be responsible

  52. Gilbert

    Comment Shame to the cowards who have cowed away I think the heater is being felt

  53. Jethro

    This ka Lungu Koswe does not well for this country.Why doesn’t he want to dialogue with others? We wasted our votes.

  54. ndapapa koswe

    We know what we wanted as Zambians that died with my Presido Sata…
    We no longer have PF, but mmd still holding on to key positions…
    We have to redo things,go church,go for you are not doing it for money,fear or favour
    Zcid and govnmt are same,a let down

  55. Longinus

    Ok

  56. Central power

    At I respect the church……….iyeeee and three church mother bodies iyeeeee mwebantu sure.OK we will see

  57. Easterner

    Another crush in the Parliament
    2019 October 18th No prayer and fasting only those with four senses shall do so.

  58. Jototo

    “Give Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
    Do not play in people’s mind, there are so many grounds where you can hold your Crusades other than mixing Politics with the Word of God. Leave those in politics to do their part while the church concentrates with the word. Mutisokoneza ka? Mother Bodies? Amai abwanji amsokonezo? Christ is Man, Politics is another man , to hold both mucita Cigololo. Choose one. Guide us properly, we are l

  59. Jototo

    We are lost by the Church.

  60. Chisenga

    THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE FIRST ADDRESED THR CONCERNS OF PF

  61. Chisenga

    THE DIALOGUE IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT IN ZAMBIA. IT HAS NO LEGAL BACKING AND NO LEGAL FRAMEWORK. WE HAVE SO MANY CAMPS RIGHT NOW. WHAT IF THE PF ATTENDS A DIALOGUE ORGANISED BY ZCID WITH OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES? WHICH DIALOGUE WILL BE BINDING?

  62. BUNKUTWE👏👏

    U CAN ONLY UNDERSTAND IF UNDERSTANDING IS IN YOU, UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF DIALOGUE, AND STOP BUBBLING…. SAME PIPO AWEKWENA NI KUWAYAWAYAFYE.

  63. FGM

    Pretence doesn’t live for ever. Only the truth lives for ever. The church has eventually seen the truth. The previous presidents always obliged to the calling of the church. The church should also refuse being used for political scores by the PF.

  64. Chipata dweller

    Mulobezi or whatever you call yourself, Jesus Christ is not a cadre like you,think before you comment any shit,your god lungu doesn’t own Zambia,but it’s for all Zambians,I think you need medical checkup at chainama hospital,your brain need to be examined.

  65. Dr Fonicks

    The national dialog is a serious issue that needs participation of all stakeholders. A few days ago, there was a debate in not allowing kambwili to attend the dialogue in some sectors of the country. He decided to not attend but what follows later ? the PF does not attend. surely, how can the party in power not attend. it really raise eyebrows. we need to support such important national concesors. we have only one country Zambia. we don’t want situations like civil strife. Don’t you realise that a simple match stick can cause extensive damage if not extinguished in good time ? my fellow country men and women let us be realistic in dealing with matters of national interest. Let us avoid arrogance please. I rest my case.

  66. Icon

    Instead of attending to his national issues, he’s unconcerned ✈ flying to other countries. Running shunning away when the nationa is limping?

  67. Jinja

    An unfortunate and unbecoming eventuality for some Zambians to shun the Dialogue. The Dialogue is a platform to foster the much needed mutual understanding and love amongst us Zambians. If we can’t sit and discuss our differences, what is the alternative? What is intriguing the common mind is that if there is nothing more to a mere dialogue, Zambia is our only country and we must be responsible enough to consider peace, love, harmony, integrity,tolerance,prosperity,goodwill, selflessness and rule of law as the basis for our democratic values. Why not? Let us put our country first regardless of what or who you are. Whether the Church or ZCID, it is the Zambian mind at work. If the Dialogue fails who takes the responsibility for the consequences? If it succeeds, who gets the benefit of the proceeds of the Dialogue? It is the Zambian. NO CRYING FOUL! Let us forge ahead in unity after all, we’re Zambians.

  68. Kings

    I Wonder Why Some Leaders Manifest Their Folly When Its Not Time To Do So, Surely I Now Agree That There Was No Mistake With HH When He Complained That 2016 Election Results Were Fair, Why Behave Like Cowards When You Are The One Who Should Be First To Be Their? Ata Bane, Nasuula Ba Pf.

  69. eventina

    Since you have launched the so called dialogue. Then other stakeholders shunned away from the launch. What is the way forward?tell the nation.the citizens are anxiously waiting for your next step.say something.

  70. zed dweller

    Dialogue should go on.Even without those who don’t want to dialogue ,let them stay away si Zambia ya nyina.They were not born with the positions they are holding.They will leave sooner than they expect and when they are on the other side they will crumble like the walls of Jericho.They will cry for the same dialogue they.are shunning today.

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